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Skyy High · Sep 12, 2010, 07:36 PM // 19:36

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Originally Posted by SpyderArachnid

Cause Anet has a no grind policy.

No, they have a "grind should not get you uber gear that makes you better than anyone else" policy. They have never had a "no grind" policy, and people need to stop thinking that they did. Obsidian armor has been in the game from the beginning.

Aljasha · Sep 12, 2010, 08:33 PM // 20:33

That's basically a no grind policy. You don't have to grind if you don't want to.

shoyon456 · Sep 12, 2010, 11:08 PM // 23:08

The whole HoM is one big grind. Sorry, its the truth. Having the HoM filled above and beyond is what you will be getting benefits for in GW2, not for "being a dedicated player" as you aimlessly accomplished very little. This is how it will be, as promised from the very release of EoTN when Anet said you would be getting special things from the HoM in GW2.

People who put effort into the HoM should be recognized for their effort, as Anet promised at EoTN release. And those people would really enjoy knowing what those rewards would be since Anet said we would be finding out "very soon" weeks ago.

Polgara Val · Sep 12, 2010, 11:14 PM // 23:14

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Originally Posted by shoyon456

And those people would really enjoy knowing what those rewards would be since Anet said we would be finding out "very soon" weeks ago.

That very soon statement they gave us a few weeks ago is turning into the whole "when its ready" scenario.

Pol

Karate Jesus · Sep 12, 2010, 11:33 PM // 23:33

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Originally Posted by Polgara Val

That very soon statement they gave us a few weeks ago is turning into the whole "when its ready" scenario.

Pol

"When it's ready" should honestly just be a catchphrase for Anet.

I don't understand why they're always so willing to throw around time approximations anyway. They don't even have a timetable for GW2 or GW1, so why bother giving us any hope?

Ka Tet · Sep 12, 2010, 11:36 PM // 23:36

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Originally Posted by BrettM

They should, up to a point. Obviously someone who has Legendary Guardian has accomplished more than Protector of Tyria. And that will happen just by giving, say, one point for every accomplishment/item that you could display. A few more points giving you a chance at slightly more or better bling is fine.

But, if I open my prezzie and a mini-Rurik pops out while you open yours and a mini-whiptail pops out, did I really "do more" than you did? That's what some of the proposals would have us believe.

Schemes like these will cause nothing but endless bickering and encourage endless grind just to get one more point. My gold minis are worth more than your gold minis, so they should get more points. My LDoA took more time to get than your LMotN, so it should get more points. My LMotN is an award for real accomplishment, not mindless grind like your LDoA, so it should get more points. My Black Widow was harder to cap than your Black Moa, so it should get more points.

Many of the proposals can be boiled down to giving more rewards for more time played and more gold accumulated. "My stuff cost more than your stuff, so I win. Don't bother asking me how I got the money." Giving extra rewards for FoW gives the rewards to anyone who did endless UWSC and spent the profits on FoW. Is this really an accomplishment that deserves extra rewards? The guy who settled for Elite Flameforged probably came by his more honestly, representing a truer accomplishment.

If spending a lot of time and/or a lot of gold to get something is a true measure of accomplishment, then let's just make it easy. Just total up the hours played and the cash value of all assets held across all characters on the account and call it the e-peen score.

Thought I'd bump this back here, since it seems to make some of the best arguments about HoM rewards, especially the part about minipets. I was going to toss in a comment about those, but this post all ready summed those ideas as well as I could have put them.

Aljasha · Sep 13, 2010, 11:22 AM // 11:22

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Originally Posted by shoyon456

The whole HoM is one big grind. Sorry, its the truth. Having the HoM filled above and beyond is what you will be getting benefits for in GW2, not for "being a dedicated player" as you aimlessly accomplished very little. This is how it will be, as promised from the very release of EoTN when Anet said you would be getting special things from the HoM in GW2.

People who put effort into the HoM should be recognized for their effort, as Anet promised at EoTN release. And those people would really enjoy knowing what those rewards would be since Anet said we would be finding out "very soon" weeks ago.

ANet said you won't get an advantage in GW2 for having a filled HoM. Hence it's optional to have a filled/full HoM, thus grind is optional. You've said multiple times that you won't buy GW2, so why do you insist on your interpretation of something, when you don't even care about the game HoM is all about?

shoyon456 · Sep 13, 2010, 01:16 PM // 13:16

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Originally Posted by Aljasha

ANet said you won't get an advantage in GW2 for having a filled HoM. Hence it's optional to have a filled/full HoM, thus grind is optional. You've said multiple times that you won't buy GW2, so why do you insist on your interpretation of something, when you don't even care about the game HoM is all about?

Yes it will be cosmetic. However, I am frankly annoyed at the clowns who have said that nothing should be given from the HoM even though that directly contradicts what Anet promised. Then again, Anet isn't known for following their "goals" too closely. I insist on this interpretation because it is accurate.

And I do care. For if the benefits are lacking I won't be able to make some money off of my HoM. It's pure self-interest. But to say people that have taken extra steps to do more in filling out their HoM shouldn't be given more points for rewards is ridiculous. People who did more should be rewarded more, even if its only cosmetic. This isn't some socialist country. In fact, MMO's have a very cut-throat capitalist society. People who did the bare minimum to fill out their HoM's (5 statues in the honor section, 5 armors, 20 basic minis, destroyer weapons, etc...) did not work as hard as people who have gone far beyond that (destroyer AND tormented weapons, GWAMM, all elite area statues, etc...).

The point made earlier is that effort has nothing to do with someone getting a gold mini out of a bday present whereas someone such as myself has only gotten purple and white minis (I've never gotten a rare mini out of a bday present, ever). This is true. But someone who has 40 minis in their HoM certainly has put more into it than someone who has 20 minis in it, rarity aside. That person should have 40 points while the other should have 20 to spend on the vanity HoM items in GW2.

Gill Halendt · Sep 13, 2010, 01:28 PM // 13:28

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Originally Posted by shoyon456

Yes it will be cosmetic. However, I am frankly annoyed at the clowns who have said that nothing should be given from the HoM even though that directly contradicts what Anet promised. Then again, Anet isn't known for following their "goals" too closely. I insist on this interpretation because it is accurate.

And I do care. For if the benefits are lacking I won't be able to make some money off of my HoM. It's pure self-interest. But to say people that haven't taken extra steps to do more in filling out their HoM shouldn't be given more points for rewards is ridiculous. People who did more should be rewarded more, even if its only cosmetic. This isn't some socialist country. In fact, MMO's have a very cut-throat capitalist society. People who did the bare minimum to fill out their HoM's (5 statues in the honor section, 5 armors, 20 basic minis, destroyer weapons, etc...) did not work as hard as people who have gone far beyond that (destroyer AND tormented weapons, GWAMM, all elite area statues, etc...).

My guess is "points" will be awarded for each statue added on each monument, likely in "tiers", in a quantity directly comparable to the difficulty/rarity of the accomplishment. Rewards tied to the specific monument (ie. the "honor" rewards require "honor" points from the Monument of Honor).

Windf0rce · Sep 13, 2010, 02:24 PM // 14:24

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Originally Posted by Aljasha

ANet said you won't get an advantage in GW2 for having a filled HoM.

I'm not so sure about this.

They have just said it won't take a full hall to get rewards: " It does not take a full hall to receive rewards".

However, the rewards from an incomplete hall could very well be smaller than those of a full hall.

SpyderArachnid · Sep 13, 2010, 02:49 PM // 14:49

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Originally Posted by shoyon456

And I do care. For if the benefits are lacking I won't be able to make some money off of my HoM.

I find this actually rather hilarious seeing as Anet has already stated that you can't sell or trade the rewards from your HoM. They are purely cosmetic items just for you only. No one else.

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Originally Posted by Windf0rce

I'm not so sure about this.

They have just said it won't take a full hall to get rewards: " It does not take a full hall to receive rewards".

However, the rewards from an incomplete hall could very well be smaller than those of a full hall.

Anet has already stated that the rewards are purely cosmetic and will not give you an advantage over other players. So that means, no weapons, armors, etc to make you better than anyone else.

Windf0rce · Sep 13, 2010, 03:30 PM // 15:30

I understand the benefits are purely cosmetic. There might still be "tiers", however, depending on how complete the HoM was. If a character gets to be more "shining" by having a fuller hall, then you can bet people will want the most "shinies" possible, even if those are purely cosmetic. Who wouldn't want an extra emote, extra dance, shining stuff overall? I certainly wouldn't mind any!

shoyon456 · Sep 13, 2010, 07:48 PM // 19:48

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Originally Posted by SpyderArachnid

I find this actually rather hilarious seeing as Anet has already stated that you can't sell or trade the rewards from your HoM. They are purely cosmetic items just for you only. No one else.

I find it hilarious that you don't understand what I'm saying by "I will make money off of my HoM." I need not say more.

In agreement with Winforce, just because the rewards don't give you an advantage doesn't mean that the more you do in your HoM won't earn you more rewards.

Aycee · Sep 13, 2010, 08:09 PM // 20:09

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Originally Posted by shoyon456

I find it hilarious that you don't understand what I'm saying by "I will make money off of my HoM." I need not say more.

In agreement with Winforce, just because the rewards don't give you an advantage doesn't mean that the more you do in your HoM won't earn you more rewards.

Either your planning to sell your account or you don't have a response to how you plan on making money from it.

Anyway, hopefully there is some type of badass HoM armor that I can get that won't be a reskin of some other armor.

Shadowmoon · Sep 13, 2010, 08:37 PM // 20:37

"Question Submitted by Vile Shadowstep: We know that the Hall of Monuments will grant us exclusive items. What I want to know is if we will be told what items will be given for completing certain things, e.g. having Legendary Carto, full hall, etc.

Izzy: Think of it kind of like a culmination of all the different things that you do, and then here are the rewards that you’re going to get. There are a couple of things that will be a one to one ratio, but we really didn’t want to make it a case of ‘get this thing and be rewarded with that thing’ because there’s a lot of stuff that you’re doing in Guild Wars 1. Also, we don’t want it to be the case where people feel obligated to go buy Guild Wars 1 and have to go do all of these things for the rewards. We just want it to feel like you are rewarded for playing Guild Wars 1, rewarded for the time that you’ve spent in the game and enjoying that time, and feel proud of your accomplishments.

It’s going to kind of be like, here are the things that I’ve done and here are the rewards for those things. So it’s an accomplishable thing. And there are also things that you can get for being really extreme.

We’re going to be having more details coming out really soon so you can see exactly what you get, and it will be all laid out. All of that information will be available in the next couple of months. But again, the idea and feeling of the system is that in Guild Wars 2 you should kind of feel rewarded for the stuff that you did in Guild Wars 1 but we’re not trying to make it so that every single accomplishment in that game is equally represented on a one to one ratio. It’s more of a culmination of things that you did that you’ll be rewarded for."

fyi

Aljasha · Sep 13, 2010, 09:10 PM // 21:10

I guess for all those who await the info update, the sentence "All of that information will be available in the next couple of months. " is most important.

SpyderArachnid · Sep 13, 2010, 09:15 PM // 21:15

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Originally Posted by Aljasha

I guess for all those who await the info update, the sentence "All of that information will be available in the next couple of months. " is most important.

Noticed that as well in the interview. I hate how they say VERY SOON and really soon, then say in the next couple months. At least we now have an idea on the time range they consider to be "very soon".

MArcSinus · Sep 13, 2010, 09:49 PM // 21:49

Einstein already stated that time is relative

But I must say, if very soon means a couple of months that's just ridiculous, even by Anet standards.

Gill Halendt · Sep 13, 2010, 10:01 PM // 22:01

They say that all the information will be available in the next couple of months, not that we'll have to wait a couple of months to know anything.

MArcSinus · Sep 13, 2010, 10:03 PM // 22:03

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

They say that all the information will be available in the next couple of months, not that we'll have to wait a couple of months to know anything.

Unless you know the order in which the information is released, this may as well be the case.